GHP 8 MMS close

[Cesare Ricchezza]

This is my first time getting my GHP 8 MMS. This is from the same training session this past weekend with Paul Knight. I made sure to step my game up since the king of crush was video taping me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwlBr41nTME

[John McCarter]

This is my first time getting my GHP 8 MMS. This is from the same training session this past weekend with Paul Knight. I made sure to step my game up since the king of crush was video taping me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwlBr41nTME

Killer job!:;st)

[Cesare Ricchezza]

Thanks bro. I want to eventually get the GHP 8 cert with 1.5 inch block set. That is going to take some time, but it would be sick to get on that list.

[John McCarter]

Thanks bro. I want to eventually get the GHP 8 cert with 1.5 inch block set. That is going to take some time, but it would be sick to get on that list.

I hear you on that, don't worry you'll get it. I plan to go for the Level 8 (never messed with it) and #3.5 gripper (only 19mm from closing it) some time in the future.

[Kim Wood]

OK, I give up... what the heck is a "GHP 8 MMS"?...
obviously it's some kinda off-brand gripper but why are
you guys bringing that stuff here especially with-out explaining
what you are talking about(and why aren't you saving this
stuff for the Grip Board...). If you are posting here
to communicate why are you using jargon and cult-talk that
connects with only a few. This forum is about training
but when jargon is used as opposed to clear talking
communication is lost...not defining terms leads to elitism.
If it's important enough to be posted...it should be written
well enough for all here to understand.

[Cesare Ricchezza]

OK, I give up... what the heck is a "GHP 8 MMS"?...
obviously it's some kinda off-brand gripper but why are
you guys bringing that stuff here especially with-out explaining
what you are talking about(and why aren't you saving this
stuff for the Grip Board...). If you are posting here
to communicate why are you using jargon and cult-talk that
connects with only a few. This forum is about training
but when jargon is used as opposed to clear talking
communication is lost...not defining terms leads to elitism.
If it's important enough to be posted...it should be written
well enough for all here to understand.

GHP 8 MMS = Gillingham High Performance Level 8 gripper with a parallel (Mash Monster) set. Its a pretty new brand of gripper. I use mainly ironmind, Beef Builder and GHPs in training. These are favorite brands. I have some other brands (GNC and Robert Baraban) and a Vulcan V2 as well. I keep a regular workout log on the gripboard so I'm use to using the terms that guys use there. This is just a training close.

[Justin Matney]

OK, I give up... what the heck is a "GHP 8 MMS"?...
obviously it's some kinda off-brand gripper but why are
you guys bringing that stuff here especially with-out explaining
what you are talking about(and why aren't you saving this
stuff for the Grip Board...). If you are posting here
to communicate why are you using jargon and cult-talk that
connects with only a few. This forum is about training
but when jargon is used as opposed to clear talking
communication is lost...not defining terms leads to elitism.
If it's important enough to be posted...it should be written
well enough for all here to understand.

I've only been using hand grippers for 4 months and I knew exactly what kind of video the thread was going to contain before I even clicked the link...so it's really not jargon or cult-talk that "connects with only a few". Most guys who have been around gripping for more than a few weeks know exactly what "GHP 8 MMS close" means as well. And they're not off-brand grippers...several people say they're now the best on the market.

[Kim Wood]

I've been around "grippers" for a long time... had no idea
what the guy is talking about...it's jargon(I do know what
a "set" is and can't believe anyone is "certifying with a set"...
that's stupid...like "testing" one's push press or cheat curl or
"assisted bench press"...)...
what's known in the "world of inter-net grip" isn't what's
happening in the real world...Joe Kinney's video of his #4
close should be standard. Some-one showed me a video
of a well known grip personality "re-certifying" with an
Iron Mind #3...it was the silliest thing I've ever seen...he's
fussing and fuming and doing the drama queen thing...I'm
not sure whether he got it or not(it would be next to impossible
to judge whether he did or not)(there was a judge there)(good
luck judge). If this video is what "grip" is all about then it's
miles away from Joe Kinney's standard.

[Cesare Ricchezza]

I've been around "grippers" for a long time... had no idea
what the guy is talking about...it's jargon(I do know what
a "set" is and can't believe anyone is "certifying with a set"...
that's stupid...like "testing" one's push press or cheat curl or
"assisted bench press"...)...
what's known in the "world of inter-net grip" isn't what's
happening in the real world...Joe Kinney's video of his #4
close should be standard. Some-one showed me a video
of a well known grip personality "re-certifying" with an
Iron Mind #3...it was the silliest thing I've ever seen...he's
fussing and fuming and doing the drama queen thing...I'm
not sure whether he got it or not(it would be next to impossible
to judge whether he did or not)(there was a judge there)(good
luck judge). If this video is what "grip" is all about then it's
miles away from Joe Kinney's standard.

This video wasn't for a certification. I have made great progress by slowly widening my set on grippers and progressively moving up to more challenging grippers. Once I master a gripper, I repeat the process for the next highest gripper in my collection. I have a video below with a credit card set of a ironmind #3. Even ironmind requires a "set" for its certification (the credit card set). I can no set close (just pick it up with one hand and not use the off hand at all) a ironmind #2.5 with ease.

[Justin Matney]

I've been around "grippers" for a long time... had no idea
what the guy is talking about...it's jargon(I do know what
a "set" is and can't believe anyone is "certifying with a set"...
that's stupid...like "testing" one's push press or cheat curl or
"assisted bench press"...)...
what's known in the "world of inter-net grip" isn't what's
happening in the real world...Joe Kinney's video of his #4
close should be standard. Some-one showed me a video
of a well known grip personality "re-certifying" with an
Iron Mind #3...it was the silliest thing I've ever seen...he's
fussing and fuming and doing the drama queen thing...I'm
not sure whether he got it or not(it would be next to impossible
to judge whether he did or not)(there was a judge there)(good
luck judge). If this video is what "grip" is all about then it's
miles away from Joe Kinney's standard.

Are you talking about the Richard Sorin video? The one where he throws the gripper? Haha...i thought that was funny, but it wasn't his recertification video. He actually did recertify with ease.

And I'm with you on certifying with these ridiculously deep sets, but like Cesare said, it's good for training. Kinda like cheating the gripper shut and holding it for a negative to get yourself used to a certain amount of force. Joe Kinney approved.

[Kim Wood]

if you can pick-up a 2.5 with one hand and just close it
you're doing something right(many who "close" a #3 probably
couldn't do that)... I think there is meaning in keeping
the language "clear" and keeping the standard of performance
as strict as possible...much of what I see in videos isn't all
that great.

[Randall Strossen]

This video wasn't for a certification. I have made great progress by slowly widening my set on grippers and progressively moving up to more challenging grippers. Once I master a gripper, I repeat the process for the next highest gripper in my collection. I have a video below with a credit card set of a ironmind #3. Even ironmind requires a "set" for its certification (the credit card set). I can no set close (just pick it up with one hand and not use the off hand at all) a ironmind #2.5 with ease.

I wouldn't consider it a set—the whole idea of the what guys call the credit card rule was to specify the minimum legal distance so in that sense, it's the antithesis of a set (which came from deep set).

[Randall Strossen]

if you can pick-up a 2.5 with one hand and just close it
you're doing something right(many who "close" a #3 probably
couldn't do that)... I think there is meaning in keeping
the language "clear" and keeping the standard of performance
as strict as possible...much of what I see in videos isn't all
that great.


Kim -

Here we go again, huh? From the land of dog legs, RGC, calibration, seasoning and MMS we now have GHP, too (not be be confused with GNC, GDP, GNP or even HGH).

This is how these guys define themselves and identify each other, so it's natural from them to use gbspeak when they come over here, too.

[Cesare Ricchezza]

Thanks Kim. I just train with a lot of intensity. I use to be super skinny. I love all forms of strength training. I have gained 70lbs in 9 years of training.

Randy - One of my goals is actually to no set close a #3 by this year. I would love to completely dominate the gripper in that way. I train all distances to get the benefit from all of them. I don't have a problem with minimum distances. Whatever it is, I will train to achieve that close. I just love training and getting stronger.

[Mike Corlett]

OK, I give up... what the heck is a "GHP 8 MMS"?...
obviously it's some kinda off-brand gripper but why are
you guys bringing that stuff here especially with-out explaining
what you are talking about(and why aren't you saving this
stuff for the Grip Board...). If you are posting here
to communicate why are you using jargon and cult-talk that
connects with only a few. This forum is about training
but when jargon is used as opposed to clear talking
communication is lost...not defining terms leads to elitism.
If it's important enough to be posted...it should be written
well enough for all here to understand.

In the very early days of the IronMind Forum, I guess I thought of myself as some type of middle man between Randy and the Gripboard. No one said that was my job. No one said "help Randy understand this forum culture so he could better relate to some grip forum fanatics". No one said "maybe Randy can see the Gripboard is not so bad", and no one said "maybe some critics of Randy can see that he is not so bad". I was probably working too hard for the pay (there is no pay).

But, the thing that made me cringe and freaked me out, more than ANYTHING that has ever been posted on this forum by anyone, was the first time that someone just casually dropped the term "MMS" on a thread. I approached Randy about it, and he basically said "don't worry about it".

I don't think I could even begin to articulate "why" it freaked me out so much. If I wrote 1000 words on it, I don't think I would successfully convey it. But, back then, my attitude was that the IronMind Forum was meant to appeal to the broadest possible range of strength athletes and enthusiasts, and to get people of all ages to pursue improving their strength. I still do. I just don't cringe and freak out any more.

[Kevin McFadden]

This is my take on the situation:

Just like any other forum that has different sections for viewing, people are going to gravitate towards sections that interest them. From there, they are going to search for threads that interest them (no matter what title is used or how that thread is introduced). If the interest is great enough, they will ask for any clarification necessary to ensure they get the full value of the thread.

[Kim Wood]

theoretically, every thread here should be of value...
communication of the various points of information should
be clear...that is, clear enough for any member of this forum
reading it
to understand what is being said. Clear communication
keeps the cult/elitists "honest'(and when it comes to "grip
fetishistas" ...don't they have their own forum?).

[Kevin McFadden]

theoretically, every thread here should be of value...


While that's true, someone not interested in stone lifting or GHP grippers is either not going to read a thread about those topics or if they do read the thread, they may not appreciate the content in the thread.

[Jordan Rechsteiner]

I've been around "grippers" for a long time... had no idea
what the guy is talking about...it's jargon(I do know what
a "set" is and can't believe anyone is "certifying with a set"...
that's stupid...like "testing" one's push press or cheat curl or
"assisted bench press"...)...
what's known in the "world of inter-net grip" isn't what's
happening in the real world...Joe Kinney's video of his #4
close should be standard. Some-one showed me a video
of a well known grip personality "re-certifying" with an
Iron Mind #3...it was the silliest thing I've ever seen...he's
fussing and fuming and doing the drama queen thing...I'm
not sure whether he got it or not(it would be next to impossible
to judge whether he did or not)(there was a judge there)(good
luck judge). If this video is what "grip" is all about then it's
miles away from Joe Kinney's standard.

Kim, if you insist on not contributing to anything but instead making snarky comments I cannot then tell the difference between what you are doing and trolling. And with all human enterprises jargon is formed. That is not designed to discourage the newcomer. Making grumpy comments because the universe doesn't revolve around the whims of Kim Wood is far more likely to chase people off than using jargon Kim. And Kim, specifically pointing out Richard Sorin (the only man ever to re-certify the CoC under the new rules) is both disrespectful and disgraceful of you. Why don't you accept that you aren't the axis around which the universe revolves and help people with strength advice when they ask for it instead of perpetually trolling, being a general jerk to new guys, and dragging the name of a gentleman and living ledgend through the mud with your allegations? It is funny Kim: you can't close a #3, you never could and contrary to your lies neither could any member of your former team. The parallel set was made to be approximate to the old Ironmind rules which called for a minimum starting distance of 1" which was eyeballed. That was good enough until 2006. Remember, Chez is a Captians of Crush Kim, and you are not so why don't you let an expert in grip training continue his model of excellence in grippers as he persues higher and higher certifications from Ironmind and other companies.

-Jordan

[Steve Weiner]

Kim, if you insist on not contributing to anything but instead making snarky comments I cannot then tell the difference between what you are doing and trolling. And with all human enterprises jargon is formed. That is not designed to discourage the newcomer. Making grumpy comments because the universe doesn't revolve around the whims of Kim Wood is far more likely to chase people off than using jargon Kim. And Kim, specifically pointing out Richard Sorin (the only man ever to re-certify the CoC under the new rules) is both disrespectful and disgraceful of you. Why don't you accept that you aren't the axis around which the universe revolves and help people with strength advice when they ask for it instead of perpetually trolling, being a general jerk to new guys, and dragging the name of a gentleman and living ledgend through the mud with your allegations? It is funny Kim: you can't close a #3, you never could and contrary to your lies neither could any member of your former team. The parallel set was made to be approximate to the old Ironmind rules which called for a minimum starting distance of 1" which was eyeballed. That was good enough until 2006. Remember, Chez is a Captians of Crush Kim, and you are not so why don't you let an expert in grip training continue his model of excellence in grippers as he persues higher and higher certifications from Ironmind and other companies.

-Jordan


Jordan,

Kim can certainly fight his own battles, and although we have had some differences of opinion, I am certainly not shy to say that the man is a walking encyclopedia of the iron game. If you actually can comprehend what he writes (alot of gems, by the way), then you will learn much about what there is to learn about yourself from the iron game (believe it or not, it is not just about lifting weights!). As far as calling Kim a liar, he has told me many stories, and I have found him to be very truthful. He is not a BS artist and the man is still very strong. I personally saw him knock out curls with a non-revolvoing 160 pound barbell for 12 reps at Dr. Ken Leistner's house a couple of years ago around the age of 61. Try that one on for size when you get a chance.

Kim is an expert when it comes to training. You have no idea how much he knows, but I do. He has forgotten more than you will ever know. You may not like his style (straight forward and to the point), but he sure as heck knows his stuff. Just because you can close a #3 gripper, it does not make you an expert when it comes to training. There are plenty of people that train who are way stronger than many people that are "well known" on Youtube, or wherever their videos are posted. Kim's players that he trained used grippers and grip machines as part of their training regimens. He made sure that two neglected areas, the grip and neck, were always strong because they play an integral role in being a success and to last longer as a football player. I have no doubt that many of the players that he trained could close high level grippers. Seriously, think about it. I am just an average guy, and I certified on the #3 gripper. I would be a flipping fool to believe that there are not thousands of professional athletes in this world who are genetically gifted that could not easily replicate what I can do on grippers.

[Cesare Ricchezza]

I didn't want this video to start arguments. I just love training and trying to get stronger. I have found a way of training that works really well for me but that doesn't mean it will work well for someone else. I encourage people to explore what methods work best for them. I might have to change things up once I reach a plateau so I'm always reading peoples workout logs and watching videos to look for new ideas. So far the progress has been great though.

[Jordan Rechsteiner]

I didn't want this video to start arguments. I just love training and trying to get stronger. I have found a way of training that works really well for me but that doesn't mean it will work well for someone else. I encourage people to explore what methods work best for them. I might have to change things up once I reach a plateau so I'm always reading peoples workout logs and watching videos to look for new ideas. So far the progress has been great though.

You are right Cesare, I apologize to you for my role in the argument with Kim on your thread.
I think with a GHP close at this distance that you will be able to work that up to a #3.5 CCS in a few months. BTW, your physical preparation for the #3 was very apparent when you slammed that #3 cert. It didn't take you long at all to convert a MM2 close to a CoC #3 CCS and finally a #3 cert! I can't wait to see your #3.5 cert it is going to be epic! Your improvement has been so rapid lately! I think next year you could have a real shot at the #4 cert the way you have been going lately. Keep up the solid performances! :;tu) I think I will start to look at successful people's training logs myself and look for ideas. I'd been looking exclusively at videos and threads.

-Jordan

[Kim Wood]

thanks for the props, Steve...
keep working on your strength, Cesare

Jordan, you've gone over the line...if I were
in Texas and you said that to me face-to-face
it would be a serious issue...but you seem
to be just another lost "inter-net guy"
not worth a response

[Cesare Ricchezza]

You are right Cesare, I apologize to you for my role in the argument with Kim on your thread.
I think with a GHP close at this distance that you will be able to work that up to a #3.5 CCS in a few months. BTW, your physical preparation for the #3 was very apparent when you slammed that #3 cert. It didn't take you long at all to convert a MM2 close to a CoC #3 CCS and finally a #3 cert! I can't wait to see your #3.5 cert it is going to be epic! Your improvement has been so rapid lately! I think next year you could have a real shot at the #4 cert the way you have been going lately. Keep up the solid performances! :;tu) I think I will start to look at successful people's training logs myself and look for ideas. I'd been looking exclusively at videos and threads.

-Jordan

Thanks Jordan. I really appreciate that. Ever since I have used the drop set technique in my training, the gains have come really fast. I really want that COC #3.5 cert and I'll be training like a mad man for it. I think I can get it if I stay motivated and train consistently. It will be a long journey, but a fun one.