G8 Hex bolt DO in 1 IMP

[Andy Thomas]

There has been a lot of discussion about DO bending and "folding" and how it relates to a "true" test of strength. Here's a bend I did a little while back. It is a Grade 8 1/4 x 6" hex bolt rolled up in 1 IronMind pad. The ends of the wrap are not tucked into my palm and lay outside of my grip...where they offer no leverage. My index fingers are touching at the start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TKagSK1vJk

[Ben Edwards]

Fantastic bend Andy! And not one that will be replicated very often.

[Zach Lister]

Awesome bend Andy. Hadn't seen this one yet.

[David Wigren]

Very impressive bend Andy! Alot of grip/wrist strength and pain tolerance in that bend!

[Daniel Reinard]

Andy, how long have you been bending when you did that G8?

That's an awesome bend. Minimal wraps, crazy grip and wrist power and of course tons of pain tolerance. Most don't have that last element.

[Jedd Johnson]

That stuff looks like it hurts bro.

[Casey Emery]

Awesome bending Andy !! :;nw)

[Chris Rice]

That has to HURT! Nice bending.

[Dave Lemanczyk]

I can appreciate what you did in that video. That bend sure is a lot different than this one, wouldn't you agree?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7vp7OQTObE

[Andy Thomas]

I can appreciate what you did in that video. That bend sure is a lot different than this one, wouldn't you agree?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7vp7OQTObE

It IS different....I am REALLY proud of both. The thing is just because you do things one way doesn't mean you aren't capable of doing things another way as well.

I haven't found any videos of you bending a Red in IMPs? I must have missed them. I would love to see them though because I know they would be some super strict bends...no "folding" BS like I did.

[Dave Lemanczyk]

It IS different....I am REALLY proud of both. The thing is just because you do things one way doesn't mean you aren't capable of doing things another way as well.

I haven't found any videos of you bending a Red in IMPs? I must have missed them. I would love to see them though because I know they would be some super strict bends...no "folding" BS like I did.

For the record I never said what you do is "BS". I clearly just stated that the first link is something I can appreciate while the second link is a lot different. No more, no less. I can tell you that when I am done carrying 350 pound natural stones for long distance carries as workouts, eventually I will spend more time bending steel. When that time comes, I will surely send whatever media I produce your way. Good luck with stuff.

[Andy Thomas]

For the record I never said what you do is "BS". I clearly just stated that the first link is something I can appreciate while the second link is a lot different. No more, no less. I can tell you that when I am done carrying 350 pound natural stones for long distance carries as workouts, eventually I will spend more time bending steel. When that time comes, I will surely send whatever media I produce your way. Good luck with stuff.

I understand that you didn't openly say it, but it was implied through your posts in the rules change thread, and your comments here. It's ok for people to disagree, but before you "knock" something you should have at least tried it....

[Dave Lemanczyk]

I understand that you didn't openly say it, but it was implied through your posts in the rules change thread, and your comments here. It's ok for people to disagree, but before you "knock" something you should have at least tried it....

You are conciously choosing to transfer one thread into this thread for the sake of argument. I did not imply anything other than what I wrote in my first post on this thread (which is cut and dry).

How do you know I didn't try anything like that? Fact is, you don't. Stick to the things you know. I am not one.

[Andy Thomas]

You are conciously choosing to transfer one thread into this thread for the sake of argument. I did not imply anything other than what I wrote in my first post on this thread (which is cut and dry).

How do you know I didn't try anything like that? Fact is, you don't. Stick to the things you know. I am not one.

So you have tried it...good. Do you have a video?

[David Wigren]

You are conciously choosing to transfer one thread into this thread for the sake of argument. I did not imply anything other than what I wrote in my first post on this thread (which is cut and dry).

How do you know I didn't try anything like that? Fact is, you don't. Stick to the things you know. I am not one.
Didn't you say that in post #17 in the Red rule change thread ?
"There's no chance I will ever wrap up a nail then do the push and fold technique"

[Mike Rinderle]

You are conciously choosing to transfer one thread into this thread for the sake of argument. I did not imply anything other than what I wrote in my first post on this thread (which is cut and dry).

How do you know I didn't try anything like that? Fact is, you don't. Stick to the things you know. I am not one.


Actually Dave, you said in another thread that you would never try to bend a nail that way. Andy was probably just going on that info. :;dk)


Anyway, that's beside the point. Great bend Andy! Hardcore as always!

[Dave Lemanczyk]

So you have tried it...good. Do you have a video?

It seems like you are far too concerned with posing an argument that I have no intention of joining. I made my point on this thread and you agreed to it. In retrospect, why would I try something that would make a feat of strength easier? My opinion is that the whole point of the feats of strength is for them to be hard. That's all.

[Daniel Reinard]

My opinion is that the whole point of the feats of strength is for them to be hard. That's all.

Isn't there an infinite amount of ways to make bending, or any feat harder? How about barehand behind the back with hands covered in oil, or hands and arms in handcuffs, etc...Seems rediculous to suppose strength feats should all be done the hardest (I say hardest because what IS hard?) way possible. And at some point doesn't it become relative? Specialty bends can be honed by most who put in the time but at what cost do you neglect the full range of all bending?


In retrospect, why would I try something that would make a feat of strength easier?

In my opinion it's the only way to hear the other side, to understand the distaste for something. And in alignment with being a true bender, it gives one the whole gamut of techniques and experiences that seperate a one hit wonder from a true bender of all steel.

[Andy Thomas]

I was just following up on your point: "How do you know I didn't try anything like that? Fact is you don't."

So on one hand you imply that you've tried it......on the other hand you say you would never try it.....I'm not interested in arguing at all.

If you haven't tried it fine- say that.

If you have tried it fine- say that.

Either way we will agree to disagree.

[EJ Livesey]

In retrospect, why would I try something that would make a feat of strength easier? My opinion is that the whole point of the feats of strength is for them to be hard. That's all.

Hypothetically, how can you say what is easier or harder if you have never done it. Are you taking some one else's word for it? OR have you actually bend steel and tried every style?

All you "folders" need to get your stuff straight. That is NOT a feat of strength. we all know its just some party trick:;lh)

[Dave Lemanczyk]

Hypothetically, how can you say what is easier or harder if you have never done it. Are you taking some one else's word for it? OR have you actually bend steel and tried every style?

All you "folders" need to get your stuff straight. That is NOT a feat of strength. we all know its just some party trick:;lh)

Yes I have bent much steel in short and long varieties. I have scrolling experience as well. Feel free to jump on board the bandwagon with the rest of the fan boys but you won't see me using a weight belt to finish a bend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XndjyOsy25Q

In fact, when I bend long steel (railroad spikes for example), I don't use a weight belt on my leg. I use my leg whether it hurts or not and get the bend done quickly so whoever is watching sees the power within the movement.

[David Wigren]

Yes I have bent much steel in short and long varieties. I have scrolling experience as well. Feel free to jump on board the bandwagon with the rest of the fan boys but you won't see me using a weight belt to finish a bend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XndjyOsy25Q

In fact, when I bend long steel (railroad spikes for example), I don't use a weight belt on my leg. I use my leg whether it hurts or not and get the bend done quickly so whoever is watching sees the power within the movement.

I keep a horseshoe list over at steelbenders.org EJ has successfully bent a diamond classic #1 shoe, and did so under the strictest fashion with the rules I keep for that list. You are free to post a better bend then him. If you want to prove your own ability go to the site and check the rules, get one of the shoes eligible for the list, you can use your own source as long as they're not tampered with.

And another thing. People typically don't bend railroad spikes, as railroad spikes are usually around 6" long and 5/8" thick.
You're thinking about timber spikes usually at 12", 10" and 8".

[EJ Livesey]

Yes I have bent much steel in short and long varieties. I have scrolling experience as well. Feel free to jump on board the bandwagon with the rest of the fan boys but you won't see me using a weight belt to finish a bend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XndjyOsy25Q

In fact, when I bend long steel (railroad spikes for example), I don't use a weight belt on my leg. I use my leg whether it hurts or not and get the bend done quickly so whoever is watching sees the power within the movement.

i appreciate you checking out my videos. and yes i did take the puss way out. But we all have to start some where. I finally have the callous and tough skin where I do my crush downs. you wont see a weight belt anymore. hey man you gotta crawl before you walk. takes time and a bunch of bruising to make the leg tough enough to take a horseshoe or a 12" spike.

And David W is correct, i have successfully bent the DC1. It did suck BUT no weight belt. just a piece of suede for leg padding.

[Dave Lemanczyk]

i appreciate you checking out my videos. and yes i did take the puss way out. But we all have to start some where. I finally have the callous and tough skin where I do my crush downs. you wont see a weight belt anymore. hey man you gotta crawl before you walk. takes time and a bunch of bruising to make the leg tough enough to take a horseshoe or a 12" spike.

And David W is correct, i have successfully bent the DC1. It did suck BUT no weight belt. just a piece of suede for leg padding.

No doubt. I generally make a concious effort to check out the people I have online conversations with. I like to know who I am chatting with. I respect your honesty.

[Jedd Johnson]

I am going to vouch for EJ on this one. He showed me the side of his thigh prior to that bend. He had a huge blood clot or something like it on his hip. I can't even imagine what it must have felt like to do general training, let alone bending a horse shoe over it.

Dave, are you sure that you bent a rail road spike? I've seen rail road spikes and I wonder if you might have your terminology mixed up.

[Dave Lemanczyk]

I am going to vouch for EJ on this one. He showed me the side of his thigh prior to that bend. He had a huge blood clot or something like it on his hip. I can't even imagine what it must have felt like to do general training, let alone bending a horse shoe over it.

Dave, are you sure that you bent a rail road spike? I've seen rail road spikes and I wonder if you might have your terminology mixed up.

Jedd, there's no chance EJ had a blood clot on his leg. If he had a blood clot IN his leg he would have been in mortal danger and he should have been rushed to a hospital. There's a strong possibility that he did have a bruise on his hip (soft tissue/bone?) which could have certainly caused him pain. If EJ was in my gym the best advice I would have given him would have been to rest and wait until the bruise healed prior to attempting something that could potentially create more damage. This is smart.

The railroad spikes I refer to are 12" long and 3/8" thick galvinized steel. I have heard from guys in construction and labor trades that they are railroad spikes when I bend them for their sons.

[EJ Livesey]

Jedd and Dave you both are actually correct. A bruise is technically nothing more than clotting of the blood under the skin, this is really no mortal danger. The blood clot you, Dave, are referring to is a DVT (deep vein thrombosis). This would put some one in mortal danger. I can attest to this be because I had a botched knee surgery years back and spent 1 week in ICU due to a DVT.

The bruise I had was about the length and width of a dollar bill and was so purple it looked black. Hence the weight belt.

Jedd thanks for verifying this. I appreciate it.

[Daniel Reinard]

The railroad spikes I refer to are 12" long and 3/8" thick galvinized steel. I have heard from guys in construction and labor trades that they are railroad spikes when I bend them for their sons.

Yeah that ain't no railroad spike. Not even close. That's just a big nail they call a spike, you can buy them at home depot, heck I have the 8"x3/8" version. A railroad spike is roughly 6"x3/4" and some I have at work at closer to 1" in diameter. As you can see there is a huge difference and one could easily be misled if they didn't know better themselves.

Edit: Railroad spikes aren't even galvinized, at least none of the ones in the miles of track I have at work.

[Alex Roberts]

I have some 12'' x 3/8'' spikes,not sure what they are called.I still have a few unbent ones somewhere,real tough suckers.The 10'' are a tough crush too,I always use a towel on my leg,no point in doing yourself an injury,its only a hobby.

[Jedd Johnson]

Dave,

EJ is a student of mine, and it really irritates me that you would insinuate that he is cheating a feat, first of all.

Second, when information was presented that he had an injury, you did not apologize.

I think you owe EJ an apology for the insulting comment you made about him.

Jedd

[Mike Rinderle]

Yea, those are definitely timber spikes. I can put two bends in one of those bad boys. I don't know of anyone out there that can bend a modern railroad spike The railroad spikes from the old days were made of a much softer iron and some old time strong men like the Mighty Atom were able to kink them a bit. Those were ridiculously hard. The ones today are way beyond what the best braced benders in the world are doing. The 12" timber spikes are fun. The 10" spikes get pretty tough. The 8" spikes are hell on wheels. I've gotten one, but it was less than fun. But anybody brace bending shoes, spikes or big bars gets a thumbs up from me, padding or no padding.

I can move some decent sized shoes (Kerkheart SSP2 and a diamond Special 5X), and I kink them all without padding, but I always use a little something for the crushdown. Saying that you shouldn't ever use padding when bending a shoe (especially for someone just starting out like EJ), is like saying all steel should be bent without wraps like Gary Hunt does. No thank you! :;dk)

[EJ Livesey]

Dave,

EJ is a student of mine, and it really irritates me that you would insinuate that he is cheating a feat, first of all.

Second, when information was presented that he had an injury, you did not apologize.

I think you owe EJ an apology for the insulting comment you made about him.

Jedd

Jedd,
Thank you for this. And I appreciate your frustration and irritation. But no apology is need or really wanted. I think we are all at a pretty good understanding about the whole weight belt thing, and why I used it. It's not a big deal. I have progressed very far since them and the past is the past. It's not that serious, Jedd. I mean this is only the Internet, how serious can I take this?

[Daniel Reinard]

The railroad spikes I refer to are 12" long and 3/8" thick galvinized steel. I have heard from guys in construction and labor trades that they are railroad spikes when I bend them for their sons.

This is a railroad spike.

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[Dave Lemanczyk]

Dave,

EJ is a student of mine, and it really irritates me that you would insinuate that he is cheating a feat, first of all.

Second, when information was presented that he had an injury, you did not apologize.

I think you owe EJ an apology for the insulting comment you made about him.

Jedd

Let's be real clear Jedd. I don't owe anyone an apology as I did not insult anyone. EJ used a weight belt to finish a horseshoe bend and I pointed it out. It is what it is. If he had an injury he should have waited until it healed instead of possibly making it worse. I think you owe me an apology for wasting my time.

[David Wigren]

Let's be real clear Jedd. I don't owe anyone an apology as I did not insult anyone. EJ used a weight belt to finish a horseshoe bend and I pointed it out. It is what it is. If he had an injury he should have waited until it healed instead of possibly making it worse. I think you owe me an apology for wasting my time.

Uhm, no. Lets go back and look at the comment.

Yes I have bent much steel in short and long varieties. I have scrolling experience as well. Feel free to jump on board the bandwagon with the rest of the fan boys but you won't see me using a weight belt to finish a bend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XndjyOsy25Q

In fact, when I bend long steel (railroad spikes for example), I don't use a weight belt on my leg. I use my leg whether it hurts or not and get the bend done quickly so whoever is watching sees the power within the movement.

How is that not an attempt to insult him? You went through his Youtube-page to try and dig up some dirt on him. Picked the worse one and then said how you would've done it better. That is CLEARLY an insult.
You don't have to apologize to anyone, but at least stand for what you've said

[Jedd Johnson]

A likely response from Dave Lemanczyk. Do you think I expected someone with your insecurities to make a public apology?

Dave, you are such a fool, it is laughable.

You talk about internet tough guys, yet you have become the biggest one ever.

You come on and profess to be a world class bender, yet your top bend seems to be a Grade 5 Bolt in leathers, started out with the loudest grunting kink imaginable.

The grunting alone brings about epic laughter, let alone the fact that you come around on boards making insults at others who DOMINATE Grade 5's with less padding and far less grunting.

You have essentially gone from a source of good information like back in your days as PolishHammer, and have now become the world's biggest strength board troll.

Do me a favor, make a few more posts today where you insult people, hang your hat on the fact that you sometimes train with Steve Weiner (a truly respectable strength enthusiast), and while you are at it, make a few posts where you use really long words...incorrectly.

In closing, Mister One Year in European Pro Basketball who recovered from a broken back, I just want to say thanks.

Thanks for your contributions to the strength world Dave.

Thanks for going out of your way to tear people down who are doing feats of strength strictly for the love of the pursuit of strength.

Thanks for fighting with good people like Dan Cenidoza, a guy who I have NEVER heard anybody say ANYTHING negative about.

And most of all, Dave, thanks for just being you.

Jedd

[Jedd Johnson]

Uhm, no. Lets go back and look at the comment.


How is that not an attempt to insult him? You went through his Youtube-page to try and dig up some dirt on him. Picked the worse one and then said how you would've done it better. That is CLEARLY an insult.
You don't have to apologize to anyone, but at least stand for what you've said

DW - Actually, he went to my YouTube Channel. That bend took place at my place.

So, Dave actually went the extra mile to find something to be negative about towards EJ, a person who is killing steel in multiple styles with less than a year of training. Dave even did ten minutes of Jumping Jacks for a warm-up prior to taking his best shot at EJ - AWESOME.

[Dave Lemanczyk]

A likely response from Dave Lemanczyk. Do you think I expected someone with your insecurities to make a public apology?

Dave, you are such a fool, it is laughable.

You talk about internet tough guys, yet you have become the biggest one ever.

You come on and profess to be a world class bender, yet your top bend seems to be a Grade 5 Bolt in leathers, started out with the loudest grunting kink imaginable.

The grunting alone brings about epic laughter, let alone the fact that you come around on boards making insults at others who DOMINATE Grade 5's with less padding and far less grunting.

You have essentially gone from a source of good information like back in your days as PolishHammer, and have now become the world's biggest strength board troll.

Do me a favor, make a few more posts today where you insult people, hang your hat on the fact that you sometimes train with Steve Weiner (a truly respectable strength enthusiast), and while you are at it, make a few posts where you use really long words...incorrectly.

In closing, Mister One Year in European Pro Basketball who recovered from a broken back, I just want to say thanks.

Thanks for your contributions to the strength world Dave.

Thanks for going out of your way to tear people down who are doing feats of strength strictly for the love of the pursuit of strength.

Thanks for fighting with good people like Dan Cenidoza, a guy who I have NEVER heard anybody say ANYTHING negative about.

And most of all, Dave, thanks for just being you.

Jedd

I appreciate your feedback Mungo. I haven't fought with any people on this forum. This is Internet sillyness and you can no doubt keep up your keyboard karate though, that's what you're good at. I'll do my fighting in real life. If you think I'm just an Internet tough guy, come find out. I hang my hat with no need for mentioning anyones name. Thanks for being an Internet wise ass Jedd. Props.

[Dave Lemanczyk]

DW - Actually, he went to my YouTube Channel. That bend took place at my place.

So, Dave actually went the extra mile to find something to be negative about towards EJ, a person who is killing steel in multiple styles with less than a year of training. Dave even did ten minutes of Jumping Jacks for a warm-up prior to taking his best shot at EJ - AWESOME.

Actually for the record, after he made a comment to my post with a smart ass remark with a smiley face, I typed his name into youtube to see if there were any videos of him. I found a video. I posted a link to the video. That's it. I definitely didn't go to your youtube page as an extra mile to be negative towards him. I write the truth and speak the truth. If you don't like it, too bad. Come to think of it, this is all really funny. You sure spend a lot of time taking cheap shots at me don't you? I appreciate though man because I feed off of it. I can't wait for more. When it's all said and done, this is just the Internet and what you write means nothing.

[Randall Strossen]

Ok guys, out of the sandbox.

One of the things I like about the strength world is that your performances speak for themselves. So, I guess Dave's shown what he can bend and lift - let that speak for itself. Same for Jedd and anyone else.

I knew a guy once who was trying to impress me that he was super well connected in the lifting world and he said to me, "I guess you're really hurting for Olympic lifting material in MILO. So-and-so is training today and I could get you some photos for $X." "How heavy is he going?" I asked. "He's going for a 90-kg power clean."

Some people are oblivious to what's going on around them and some people have a constant need to turn the spotlight on themselves. What I like about our forum is that we don't have too many guys like that, but we do have a lot of guys who really are in there banging away as hard as they can, at whatever strength challenge they have chosen. And to really cap things off, we have a ton of guys in here helping each other - take a look at the conversation about the Red Nail rules and see how productive things can be.

So, please keep the insults and veiled threats to yourself - anyone here who thinks he's tough can go into MMA and anyone who thinks he's strong I look forward to seeing at the Olympics next year.

Finally, know when to bite your tongue - put that energy into training or something else productive.

[EJ Livesey]

Mr strossen,
I hate to do this to Andy, but can you lock this thread. It seems like I am the center of the current arguments going on here. I'm not looking to make waves or pee in any one's sand box but enough is enough. This has gone down hill fast.

We are all here to have fun. We all have a love in the feats of strength. We need to come together since there are so few of us. Not fight about little things. I love bending and gripping. This whole community made me a better person. We need to stick together since there are so few of us.

So i respectfully ask to lock this. I'm not sure how far this will go nor do I care to see how far it will go.

Im sorry Andy but I know you understand it has to stop.

Thank you
EJ