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  • 600-lb. Clean & Jerk

    When are we going to see the first official 600-lb. clean and jerk?

  • #2
    I just want to see guys in the 260kg range again in contests

    Behdad salimi though recently did 260kg relatively easily in training

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6_lBrl8Yqo

    I know adding weight the higher you get up gets much harder but he is still young. He is only 23 years old and most SHW hit their best numbers later from what I have observed compared to lighter classes which peak earlier. He already has the world record in the snatch. So if he does a light snatch and tries to go for the clean and jerk record I think he has the best chance right now.

    That would be the greatest lift of all time in my opinion though, greater even then the 1k raw deadlifts/squats and 700+ benches.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by stephen ruby View Post
      I just want to see guys in the 260kg range again in contests

      Behdad salimi though recently did 260kg relatively easily in training

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6_lBrl8Yqo

      I know adding weight the higher you get up gets much harder but he is still young. He is only 23 years old and most SHW hit their best numbers later from what I have observed compared to lighter classes which peak earlier. He already has the world record in the snatch. So if he does a light snatch and tries to go for the clean and jerk record I think he has the best chance right now.

      That would be the greatest lift of all time in my opinion though, greater even then the 1k raw deadlifts/squats and 700+ benches.
      Thanks for posting that link. ”Impressive looking lift and it was good to watch because I've seen Salimi miss 260 in contests so badly that I got to the point of thinking he might never do it officially. His teammate, Bahador Moulaei, however, is a completely different story and he's my pick to be the guy most likely to break Rezazadeh's world record in the clean and jerk:

      http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/ope...egov_Wins.html

      And from there, who knows?

      Is 600 lb. (272.5 kg) possible in a tested contest? I think it might be.

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      • stephen ruby
        stephen ruby commented
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        Ah yes I forgot about his teammate I just recently watched that attempt and it was just slightly off balance. His teammate looks better built for the clean and jerk also compared to salimi who is taller.

        I can't forget ruslan also I believe he has been in the military and he mentioned its hurt his training. I believe he actually blamed his gold medal loss in london on the 2 years in the army hurting his training. I think he could push into the 260 range also.

        I think that 272.5kg would take a perfect storm, the right day every lifter pushing each other and several of them peaking perfectly. Reza could have gone for it I think if he had other lifters who could have pushed him. Its hard to mentally drive yourself when you so far ahead. Yet the brain can turn onto a new level when the competitive juices get flowing.

    • #4
      More than 40 years ago, when the door for the first 500 lbs. Clean and Jerk was on the verge of being opened, of all places, a Weider magazine ran an article about when the first 600 lbs. Jerk was going to happen. I think it was Muscle Builder/Power. It opened with 500 lbs. being a given, so what would it take for 600? It was almost funny. And, have to say that was one of the rare times where the piece, to some extent, was exhibiting moments of someone "being a Visionary". Hard to believe, but got to call it what it was. Don't remember if it were Joe Weider or someone else who wrote the article...
      I am going to go out on a limb and say it will happen AFTER the first person to Certify on the Number 4 gripper using a credit card set.

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      • #5
        Originally posted by Mike Corlett View Post
        More than 40 years ago, when the door for the first 500 lbs. Clean and Jerk was on the verge of being opened, of all places, a Weider magazine ran an article about when the first 600 lbs. Jerk was going to happen. I think it was Muscle Builder/Power. It opened with 500 lbs. being a given, so what would it take for 600? It was almost funny. And, have to say that was one of the rare times where the piece, to some extent, was exhibiting moments of someone "being a Visionary". Hard to believe, but got to call it what it was. Don't remember if it were Joe Weider or someone else who wrote the article...
        I am going to go out on a limb and say it will happen AFTER the first person to Certify on the Number 4 gripper using a credit card set.

        Mike -

        I'm with you on that prediction—I saw something this weekend that gives me an insider's advantage or I'd take some bets if anyone disagreed.

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        • #6
          Personally I would be happy never to see a 600lb clean and jerk if it was a consequence of stricter drug testing. Taranenko (the guy with the WR) was an open user of steroids (read the interview on the net). I do believe such a lift is possible without drugs but it would require somebody having the courage to think outside the box because most Olympic Weightlifters are overtraining. Steroids used to be the solution to overtraining syndrome, but in today's environment it is better to train more sensibly.

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          • #7
            Originally posted by stephen ruby View Post
            I just want to see guys in the 260kg range again in contests

            Behdad salimi though recently did 260kg relatively easily in training

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6_lBrl8Yqo

            I know adding weight the higher you get up gets much harder but he is still young. He is only 23 years old and most SHW hit their best numbers later from what I have observed compared to lighter classes which peak earlier. He already has the world record in the snatch. So if he does a light snatch and tries to go for the clean and jerk record I think he has the best chance right now.

            That would be the greatest lift of all time in my opinion though, greater even then the 1k raw deadlifts/squats and 700+ benches.

            Does (or would) Olympic Weighlifting allow someone to do a 'token' snatch in order to conserve enough to try for a WR C&J? I know in powerlifting many feds have a rule that does not allow for lifters to take token squats or benches to go for a record deadlift.

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            • #8
              I would consider Benedict Magnusson's 1015 raw deadlift the greatest lift right now. I know that's very debatable. A 600 clean and jerk is right in that same league.

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              • #9
                Originally posted by Kevin Meskew View Post


                Does (or would) Olympic Weighlifting allow someone to do a 'token' snatch in order to conserve enough to try for a WR C&J? I know in powerlifting many feds have a rule that does not allow for lifters to take token squats or benches to go for a record deadlift.

                Kevin -

                Yes, without getting into the fine print and footnotes, you could do that.

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                • #10
                  Originally posted by cary soloyna View Post
                  I would consider Benedict Magnusson's 1015 raw deadlift the greatest lift right now. I know that's very debatable. A 600 clean and jerk is right in that same league.

                  Cary -

                  Which federation sanctioned that meet, please? What a crazy huge number, huh?!

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                  • #11
                    I'm not sure which federation it was, but Benedikt pulled 1,015 at the MHP Clash of the Titans back in 2011

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by Randall Strossen View Post


                      Kevin -

                      Yes, without getting into the fine print and footnotes, you could do that.

                      Thank you Randy, that's good to know. I guess the reason most powerlifting federations don't allow it because of all the bench and deadlift specialists out there..

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Ian McCrae View Post
                        I'm not sure which federation it was, but Benedikt pulled 1,015 at the MHP Clash of the Titans back in 2011

                        And I believe it was performed RAW. In the video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4jO21-a2W0 ) that suit he's got on makes it look like he's wearing shorts, it's so loose.

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                        • #14
                          Kevin -

                          In the Olympics, you have to get at least one good snatch to be able to continue in the clean and jerk, but in all other top weightlifting contests (world championships, continental championships, etc.), you could even bomb in the snatch and continue in the clean and jerk, so you could do a token snatch and continue.

                          I'm not sure I've ever seen someone do this—maybe a top super would "only" snatch something like 200 or 205 kg and maybe only take two attempts if he wanted to attack the clean and jerk world record, but I've never seen a guy come out and snatch 60 kg or something to conserve energy.

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                          • #15
                            Hi Randy, lively discussion here. A 200kg snatch is still only approx 15kg from the WR, IMO that's not much of a token lift. I've seen powerlifters squat an empty bar, try a record bench, then do another empty bar deadlift, to record a total and preserve their bench record (and frowned upon by mosr feds). In weightlifting there doesn't appear any (or very few) "specialists"; normally if someone snatches well, then their C&J is pretty much in line, with some minor exceptions noted.

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                            • #16
                              I'm not sure what federation it was either. It does lead to an interesting discussion of the greatest lifts ever. Paul Anderson has got some lifts that deserve mentioning(6000 back lift), big z's log presses, James Henderson's 700 ipf raw bench. Gary Taylor did a jerk behind the neck with 600 lbs. Those are some of my favorites but so many to choose from!

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                              • #17
                                I have nothing against token lifts myself. There are plenty of bench only and deadlift only records if you like specializing. Is there such thing as a clean and jerk only meet?

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                                • #18
                                  The only scenario I could see someone attempting 600lb in the next few years would be if they were 10 plus Kilos in the hole after the snatch (think Chemerkin all those years ago), so maybe Moulaei (sp?) would be in that position.

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                                  • #19
                                    Originally posted by Kevin Meskew View Post
                                    Hi Randy, lively discussion here. A 200kg snatch is still only approx 15kg from the WR, IMO that's not much of a token lift. I've seen powerlifters squat an empty bar, try a record bench, then do another empty bar deadlift, to record a total and preserve their bench record (and frowned upon by mosr feds). In weightlifting there doesn't appear any (or very few) "specialists"; normally if someone snatches well, then their C&J is pretty much in line, with some minor exceptions noted.
                                    Kevin -

                                    This maybe highlights some big differences in the kind of work loads guys are used to.

                                    My jaw was sagging when a powerlifting world champion was telling me how whipped he was days after his squat workout that was something like 5 x 5 . . . a typical world class weightlifter might well do maximum squats more that 5 times a week so the idea of doing a lift with an empty bar to save energy would seem pretty funny to them.

                                    For some top weightlifters, they view competitions as the easy days because they only have to lift once that day and they are limited to 3 heavy snatches and 3 heavy clean and jerks.

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                                    • #20
                                      In between squats today my friend showed me a pretty grainy video of Salimi smoking 595 over head, I have no idea if that was in training or a local meet or what? I know training or local meets are different then tested international meets, but man, that thing looked easy.

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