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  • #21
    I forget... how long did he have to train for WSM?

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    • #22
      Everybody has their opinion and are entitled to it.

      Greatest strongman man of all time cannot be based only on WSM titles, all major contests must be considered.

      I concur with Paul Ohl's analysis and opinion!

      My view comparing only Puds vs Big Z:

      Puds: 5 WSM = 5 major Titles

      Big Z: 7 Arnold Strongman + 4 WSM + 2 IFSA Worlds (2005 & 2006) + 1 Fortissimus = 14 major Titles


      I rest my case

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      • #23
        Actullay Jouko Ahola is the strongest so far of all the strongman. This information below might not be correct to 100% since i got most of it from internet.
        Jouko Ahola competing in 3 WSM and 2 Wins = 66,66% Win Ratio
        Magnús Ver Magnússon competing in 6 WSM and 4 Wins = 66,66% Win Ratio
        Jón Páll Sigmarsson competing in 7 WSM and 4 Wins = 57,14% Win Ratio
        Mariusz Pudzianowski competing in 9 WSM and 5 Wins = 55,55% Win Ratio and he even got Disqualified in 1
        Bill Kazmaier competing in 6 WSM and 3 Wins = 50% Win Ratio
        Žydrūnas Savickas competing in 11 WSM and 4 Wins = 36,36% Win Ratio
        Brian Shaw competing in 7 WSM and 2 Wins = 28,57% Win Ratio
        So here we see easily that Jouko Ahola is World's Strongest man of them all.
        He shares with Magnús Ver Magnússon highest Win Ratio in WSM, but if Magnús Ver Magnússon would win 1 more WSM hes Win Ratio would only go to 71,42% while if Jouko Ahola win 1 more WSM hes Win Ratio would become 75%.
        On top of that fact Jouko Ahola weighs 125Kg while Magnús Ver Magnússon weighs 130Kg which puts Jouko Ahola on 5Kg disadvantage.

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        • #24

          Originally posted by Jonas Huovila View Post
          Actullay Jouko Ahola is the strongest so far of all the strongman. This information below might not be correct to 100% since i got most of it from internet.
          Jouko Ahola competing in 3 WSM and 2 Wins = 66,66% Win Ratio
          Magnús Ver Magnússon competing in 6 WSM and 4 Wins = 66,66% Win Ratio
          Jón Páll Sigmarsson competing in 7 WSM and 4 Wins = 57,14% Win Ratio
          Mariusz Pudzianowski competing in 9 WSM and 5 Wins = 55,55% Win Ratio and he even got Disqualified in 1
          Bill Kazmaier competing in 6 WSM and 3 Wins = 50% Win Ratio
          Žydrūnas Savickas competing in 11 WSM and 4 Wins = 36,36% Win Ratio
          Brian Shaw competing in 7 WSM and 2 Wins = 28,57% Win Ratio
          So here we see easily that Jouko Ahola is World's Strongest man of them all.
          He shares with Magnús Ver Magnússon highest Win Ratio in WSM, but if Magnús Ver Magnússon would win 1 more WSM hes Win Ratio would only go to 71,42% while if Jouko Ahola win 1 more WSM hes Win Ratio would become 75%.
          On top of that fact Jouko Ahola weighs 125Kg while Magnús Ver Magnússon weighs 130Kg which puts Jouko Ahola on 5Kg disadvantage.
          Again, you're taking only his WSM victories into account. There are, believe it or not, many more Strongman contests. As was posted previously, Zydrunas has more major victories than anyone else, as well as more world records. If you only went by WSM victories, it would be like determining who the greatest Strongman was by deadlift numbers or overhead numbers alone.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Ian McCrae View Post


            Again, you're taking only his WSM victories into account. There are, believe it or not, many more Strongman contests. As was posted previously, Zydrunas has more major victories than anyone else, as well as more world records. If you only went by WSM victories, it would be like determining who the greatest Strongman was by deadlift numbers or overhead numbers alone.
            .....i don't even know where to start, no wonder your still fresh in strongman with this kind of thinking. The reason i took WSM is because it is named "World's Strongest Man", so for most Strongman it will be the big one to go after. Having many victories means nothing in a true strongmans eyes since there might be many diffrent reasons a person doesn't have many victories and i will list some of them.

            1. We have 2 persons named Alex and Steve, Steve starts competing in strongman and similar events at the early age of 20. Alex gets hes intresst for strongman at the age of 30 or even later, that means Steve had 10 years where he can have took victories that Alex might never be able to catch up to.

            2. Both Alex and Steve start same time and it goes very good for them, but after 5 years of competing Alex gets a serious injury and has to quit and can no longer compete. So now Steve can keep on rolling and eventually with time get more victories then Alex.

            3. Let's say there is 10 competitions for strong man which all can compete in, not thinking of the specific strongman for countries and Alex only choose to be in 1 of 10 competitions but he wins it all the time. He starts at age 20 and quits at age 35, that means he will have 15 victories as max. But Steve compete in all 10 but he only wins 9 of them since he always loses to Alex or to somebody else if Alex and Steve don't compete at the same time. Now all the sudden Steve will have 135 victories under hes belt, that doesn't mean that he is stronger then Alex. Might just be so that Alex coulden't be bothered with the other 9 competitions because of some reason.

            But sure let's take a look the way u want on many contests, im using these 2 links as source:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jouko_Ahola

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDy...ABnas_Savickas

            Jouko Ahola

            World's Strongest Man competing in 3 and wins 2 = 66,66% Win Ratio (did come 2th, if he would come first it would be 100% Win Ratio)
            IFSA competing in 6 and wins 3 = 50% Win Ratio (3 of them are 2th places)
            Europe's Strongest Man competing in 3 and wins 2 = 66,66% Win Ratio (here did get 4th on 1 of them)
            European Hercules competing in 3 and wins 2 = 66,66% Win Ratio (did come 2th, if he would come first it would be 100% Win Ratio)
            Atlantic Giants competing in 1 and wins 1 = 100% Win Ratio
            World's Strongest Viking competing in 1 and wins 0 = 0% Win Ratio
            World's Muscle Power Championships competing in 1 and wins 1 = 100% Win Ratio
            World Strong Man Challenge competing in 2 and wins 2 = 100% Win Ratio
            World's Strongest Team competing in 3 and wins 2 = 66,66% Win Ratio (and if you look he loses with Sami, if he that year would have done it with Riku or Janne he would most likely won and had 100% Win Ratio here too)
            Strongest Man Alive competing in 2 and wins 2 = 100% Win Ratio

            Zydrunas Savickas

            World's Strongest Man competing in 11 and wins 4 = 36,36% Win Ratio
            Arnold Strongman Classic competing in 10 and wins 7 = 70% Win Ratio
            Arnold Strongman Classic-Europe competing in 1 and wins 1 = 100% Win Ratio
            Arnold Strongman Brazil competing in 1 and wins 1 = 100% Win Ratio
            IFSA Strongman World Championships competing in 3 and wins 2 = 66,66% Win Ratio
            Strongman Champions League competing in 34 and wins 29 = 85,29% Win Ratio
            IFSA Strongman European Championships competing in 1 and wins 1 = 100% Win Ratio
            IFSA World Team Championships competing in 2 and wins 2 = 100% Win Ratio
            IFSA competing in 6 and wins 6 = 100% Win Ratio
            Europe's Strongest Man competing in 4 and wins 3 = 75% Win Ratio
            Giant's Live competing in 4 and wins 4 = 100% Win Ratio
            Strongman Super Series competing in 9 and wins 1 = 11,11% Win Ratio
            World Log Lift Championships competing in 5 and wins 5 = 100% Win Ratio
            World Muscle Power Championships competing in 1 and wins 0 = 0% Win Ratio
            World Strong Man Challenge competing in 3 and wins 1 = 33,33 Win Ratio
            Fortissimus competing in 2 and wins 1 = 50% Win Ratio

            As you can see Jouko drops as lowest in Win Ratio 50% and Zyd drops down to 11,11%/33,33%/36,36%/50% if we don't count the 0% Win Ratio both have.

            So what most impressive dropping down to 50% Win Ratio once or dropping down 11,11% Win Ratio 1 time + 33,33% Win Ratio 1 time + 36,36% Win Ratio 1 time + 50% Win Ratio 1 time?

            Also we can look it from this way, Jouko Ahola did compete between 1995-1999 = 4 Years and in that time he got 17 victories. Zyd did compete between 1998-2013 = 15 Years and in that time he got 64 victories. That gives Jouko 4,25 victories for each year he did compete and Zyd gets 4,26 victories for each year he competed so far so they are very near each other.

            But most Strongman stuff Zyd has competed did never exist when Jouko and the other Strongman did compete, so easier for Zyd to have more victories since Strongman stuff popping up as mushrooms now.

            For example if we would remove stuff that was made recently like:

            Strongman Champions League (made 2008) that would rip of 29 of Zyds victories and would push hes victories down to 35 victories.
            Fortissimus (made 2008-2009) that would rip of 1 of Zyds victories and would push hes victories down to 34 victories.
            Arnold Strongman Classic-Europe (made 2012) that would rip of 1 of Zyds victories and would push hes victories down to 33 victories.
            Arnold Strongman Classic (made 2002) that would rip of 7 of Zyds victories and would push hes victories down to 26 victories.

            And with 26 victories over 15 years it drops to 1,73 victories each year which is lower then Jouko Aholas 4,25 victories each year.

            Also on top of that Jouko Ahola weighs 125Kg, Zyds weighs 170Kg sure has more fat on him. But let's say he drops down to 150Kg by removing fat thats still 25Kg more muscle advantage he has.

            So almost no matter what way u look at it Jouko Ahola is better then Zyd.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Jonas Huovila View Post

              .....i don't even know where to start, no wonder your still fresh in strongman with this kind of thinking. The reason i took WSM is because it is named "World's Strongest Man", so for most Strongman it will be the big one to go after. Having many victories means nothing in a true strongmans eyes since there might be many diffrent reasons a person doesn't have many victories and i will list some of them.

              1. We have 2 persons named Alex and Steve, Steve starts competing in strongman and similar events at the early age of 20. Alex gets hes intresst for strongman at the age of 30 or even later, that means Steve had 10 years where he can have took victories that Alex might never be able to catch up to.

              2. Both Alex and Steve start same time and it goes very good for them, but after 5 years of competing Alex gets a serious injury and has to quit and can no longer compete. So now Steve can keep on rolling and eventually with time get more victories then Alex.

              3. Let's say there is 10 competitions for strong man which all can compete in, not thinking of the specific strongman for countries and Alex only choose to be in 1 of 10 competitions but he wins it all the time. He starts at age 20 and quits at age 35, that means he will have 15 victories as max. But Steve compete in all 10 but he only wins 9 of them since he always loses to Alex or to somebody else if Alex and Steve don't compete at the same time. Now all the sudden Steve will have 135 victories under hes belt, that doesn't mean that he is stronger then Alex. Might just be so that Alex coulden't be bothered with the other 9 competitions because of some reason.

              But sure let's take a look the way u want on many contests, im using these 2 links as source:

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jouko_Ahola

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDy...ABnas_Savickas

              Jouko Ahola

              World's Strongest Man competing in 3 and wins 2 = 66,66% Win Ratio (did come 2th, if he would come first it would be 100% Win Ratio)
              IFSA competing in 6 and wins 3 = 50% Win Ratio (3 of them are 2th places)
              Europe's Strongest Man competing in 3 and wins 2 = 66,66% Win Ratio (here did get 4th on 1 of them)
              European Hercules competing in 3 and wins 2 = 66,66% Win Ratio (did come 2th, if he would come first it would be 100% Win Ratio)
              Atlantic Giants competing in 1 and wins 1 = 100% Win Ratio
              World's Strongest Viking competing in 1 and wins 0 = 0% Win Ratio
              World's Muscle Power Championships competing in 1 and wins 1 = 100% Win Ratio
              World Strong Man Challenge competing in 2 and wins 2 = 100% Win Ratio
              World's Strongest Team competing in 3 and wins 2 = 66,66% Win Ratio (and if you look he loses with Sami, if he that year would have done it with Riku or Janne he would most likely won and had 100% Win Ratio here too)
              Strongest Man Alive competing in 2 and wins 2 = 100% Win Ratio

              Zydrunas Savickas

              World's Strongest Man competing in 11 and wins 4 = 36,36% Win Ratio
              Arnold Strongman Classic competing in 10 and wins 7 = 70% Win Ratio
              Arnold Strongman Classic-Europe competing in 1 and wins 1 = 100% Win Ratio
              Arnold Strongman Brazil competing in 1 and wins 1 = 100% Win Ratio
              IFSA Strongman World Championships competing in 3 and wins 2 = 66,66% Win Ratio
              Strongman Champions League competing in 34 and wins 29 = 85,29% Win Ratio
              IFSA Strongman European Championships competing in 1 and wins 1 = 100% Win Ratio
              IFSA World Team Championships competing in 2 and wins 2 = 100% Win Ratio
              IFSA competing in 6 and wins 6 = 100% Win Ratio
              Europe's Strongest Man competing in 4 and wins 3 = 75% Win Ratio
              Giant's Live competing in 4 and wins 4 = 100% Win Ratio
              Strongman Super Series competing in 9 and wins 1 = 11,11% Win Ratio
              World Log Lift Championships competing in 5 and wins 5 = 100% Win Ratio
              World Muscle Power Championships competing in 1 and wins 0 = 0% Win Ratio
              World Strong Man Challenge competing in 3 and wins 1 = 33,33 Win Ratio
              Fortissimus competing in 2 and wins 1 = 50% Win Ratio

              As you can see Jouko drops as lowest in Win Ratio 50% and Zyd drops down to 11,11%/33,33%/36,36%/50% if we don't count the 0% Win Ratio both have.

              So what most impressive dropping down to 50% Win Ratio once or dropping down 11,11% Win Ratio 1 time + 33,33% Win Ratio 1 time + 36,36% Win Ratio 1 time + 50% Win Ratio 1 time?

              Also we can look it from this way, Jouko Ahola did compete between 1995-1999 = 4 Years and in that time he got 17 victories. Zyd did compete between 1998-2013 = 15 Years and in that time he got 64 victories. That gives Jouko 4,25 victories for each year he did compete and Zyd gets 4,26 victories for each year he competed so far so they are very near each other.

              But most Strongman stuff Zyd has competed did never exist when Jouko and the other Strongman did compete, so easier for Zyd to have more victories since Strongman stuff popping up as mushrooms now.

              For example if we would remove stuff that was made recently like:

              Strongman Champions League (made 2008) that would rip of 29 of Zyds victories and would push hes victories down to 35 victories.
              Fortissimus (made 2008-2009) that would rip of 1 of Zyds victories and would push hes victories down to 34 victories.
              Arnold Strongman Classic-Europe (made 2012) that would rip of 1 of Zyds victories and would push hes victories down to 33 victories.
              Arnold Strongman Classic (made 2002) that would rip of 7 of Zyds victories and would push hes victories down to 26 victories.

              And with 26 victories over 15 years it drops to 1,73 victories each year which is lower then Jouko Aholas 4,25 victories each year.

              Also on top of that Jouko Ahola weighs 125Kg, Zyds weighs 170Kg sure has more fat on him. But let's say he drops down to 150Kg by removing fat thats still 25Kg more muscle advantage he has.

              So almost no matter what way u look at it Jouko Ahola is better then Zyd.

              Jonas -

              Plus Jouko has been in more movies and he has a Harley—just kidding about that, but wanted to say this was a very interesting analysis and a terrific way to see that numbers can be sliced a lot of different ways . . . nice job making your case for Jouko!

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              • #27
                No doubt Jouko was the man in the late '90's. He was similiar to Pudz in size and ability. Had he note retired he may well have won quite a few more titles.

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